After Israel was voted as the community’s first Nation Pack choice, we’ve announced that its two contenders, Yugoslavia & Finland, both proposed as REDFOR nations, would be added together next in the Double Nation Pack: REDS.
Yugoslavia being voted second, let’s start with a preview of the Jugoslavenska narodna armija (JNA), the Yugoslav People’s Army.
We are still working on unit models & balance, but we can already get a clear idea of what Yugoslavia will be as a Wargame nation: a highly mechanized fighting force, with powerful tanks and IFV backed up by a wide choice of versatile SAM/SPAAG weapon systems and many indigenous assault aircrafts.
Yugoslav armors
Aside from the M-47 Paton, the Yugoslav People’s Army’s tank fleet relies mostly on the ubiquitous T-55 & T-72 designs. Yet, they soon took a direction of their own, the JNA focusing more on locally improving its tanks’ fire control system than their protection. Hence, at any given date, JNA tanks are usually less armored but much more accurate than their Warsaw Pact counterparts, such as the T-55A TLD & T-55AI Igman compared to the T-55A & T-55AM.
The JNA’s main warhorse during our timeframe is the M-84, an indigenous MBT family (although developed from the T-72). In Wargame, Yugoslavia will field four variants of this tank, spread over three units’ categories. But Yugoslavia won’t be lacking in “heavies”, with two variants of the M-91 Vihor MBT, a prototype tank which should have been replacing the M-84 from the early 90’s, only to be canceled because of the disintegration of the Yugoslav State.
As part of its mechanized forces, the JNA fields many tracked APC (OT M-60) & IFV (BVP M-80, BVP M-96). Although lightly armored, most of them are packing some heavy firepower for their weight, either twin 82mm RCL, 20mm or 30mm autocannons, plus ATGMs for the IFV.
Skyfall
Another of the JNA’s forte is its air defense. After all, not every army can claim to have shot down invisible planes … 😉
Although it lacks the medium range SAMs usually found in other REDFOR armies, such as the Osa, Yugoslavia fields an impressive array of heavy range ones, both radar (KuB-M, Neva M1) … and yet impervious to SEAD (Neva M1T). To support them at closer range and especially deal with helicopters, the JNA also deploys several smaller weapon systems, some well known ones (Strela-1, Strela-10), others indigenous (M-90 Sava, RL-4M Praćka). Add to that a loads of SPAAG (BOV 3, BOV 30, Foka), and not even accounting for the Praga variants used in other roles, and you’ll get a very thick air defense net. Out of which only about a third is vulnerable to SEAD!
BALKAN EAGLES
The Yugoslav Air Force introduces no less than four indigenous planes (Jastreb, Super Galeb, Orao & Novi), modeled ingame into seven variants. Most of them are assault planes, loaded with several types of dumb ordnances (napalm, cluster, HE), rockets or AGM (including the indigenous Grom-B).
But the most interesting, and dearest to Yugoslav air fans, is the L-19 ‘Novi Avion’, a.k.a “Baby Rafale”. An air superiority fighter of Yugoslav design, it was intended to render the country independent from Soviet imports in that vital aspect of air warfare. Dassault Aviation provided some help, especially regarding the power plant, electronics & weaponry, hence why the Novi shares many similarities with the Rafale. It was even meant to receive the same armament, hadn’t the project been canceled a mere year before its maiden flight, because of the disintegration of the country.
Grunts
The JNA will have at its disposal a strong infantry lineup, with both elite paratroopers (Padobranci) ; naval (Mornarička Pes.) & Guard (Proleteri) shock troops ; but also light (Brdska Pes.) and mechanized (Mehanizovana Pes.) riflemen. And Tommy Gun wielding militia (T.O.)!
Of course, Yugoslavia will also have the usual choices of specialized teams, such as command, ATGM & MANPAD squads, as well as recon (Granicari) and Special Forces (Senke). The latter (prototype ingame) team will be of special interest for, armed with a RT-20 anti-material rifle, it will introduce the first two-man heavy sniper/recon team for REDFOR, counterparts to the Canadian Recce.
Achilles heel
However, the Yugoslav People’s Army does have its weak points. But for a few Fagots, its ATGM are all based on the Malyutka, even with improved optics & warheads over the years. If they don’t lack punch, their range remains quite limited.
Also, while JNA Armored & Mechanized decks will offer a wide choice of tracked APC & IFV, as well as vehicles of all kind, its Motorized deck will be much “lighter”: although able to field plenty of wheeled TD (BOV POLO, …), SPAAG (BOV 3, BOV 30), FSV (Praga, …), its transport options will be restricted to the sole TAB-71 (a faster BTR-60PB) APC and the BOV M-86 “recon APC”.
Yugoslavia’s tube artillery choices are somehow limited: a vintage SO-105 Prist (WW2 M7 Priest!), SO-122 (a.k.a 2S1 Gvozdika) but at least the much more efficient (but fragile) prototype Nora-B, a truck-mounted modern 152mm gun. The first of its kind.
Nothing ever goes to waste!
This feature of the Yugoslav People’s Army will please WW2 fans: although it has its own indigenous military industry, bringing plenty of & modern new designs to Wargame, Yugoslavia will on the other hand be the one fielding more WW2 vintage equipment than almost all the other Wargame nations together.
SO-76 Helket (a.k.a M18 Hellcat), SO-90 Džekson (a.k.a M36 Jackson), SO-105 Prist (a.k.a M7 Priest), M-8 Grejhaund (a.k.a M8 Greyhound), … and of course the good ol’ T-34B (a.k.a T-34/85). Jacksons are running with a T-55 engine to improve their motorization, while T-34 is sporting a gorgeous M2 Browning HMG. When East meets West … 🙂
But WW2 militaria isn’t limited to vehicles: M1 Thompson, MG-42, modified MP-40, … are still in service at least up to the early 80’s. And what about the elite Padobranci (paratroopers)’s trademark Sturmgewehr 44, only relinquished in the mid-80’s.
Focke-Wulf190
November 15, 2016 at 5:26 pmSounds awesome. I wonder if RT-20 will have 2 AP and same increase rate as C15, 16 AP at 350m, lol
Dragan Laciboj Laslo
November 15, 2016 at 5:51 pmYes! To Jugoslavijo moja lepa domovino!
Romka
November 17, 2016 at 12:12 amFunny, in ukrainian language “domovina” means “coffin”. Looks like there are many words in slavic languages that sound similar but have different meaning.
damoj
November 19, 2016 at 5:31 amthey’re both the same in terms of their etymology, only the Ukranian word is basically a euphemism, almost a pun on “homeland”, ie, your eternal home, in the earth. Get it? lol
YugoPrider
November 15, 2016 at 6:07 pmOd Vardara pa do Triglava od Djerdapa pa do Jadrana 🙂
่j.n.t.k
November 15, 2016 at 6:45 pmi thinks you will sell it asap .am i right ? 🙂
[EUG]MadMat
November 15, 2016 at 6:49 pmNo, the release date wasn’t announced yet. 😉
่j.n.t.k
November 15, 2016 at 6:58 pmoh. ok , i will wait for it . thanks for ans me . 🙂
่j.n.t.k
November 15, 2016 at 7:03 pmmadmat .can i ask you some question ? . the eugen Do thay have a plan for build wargame in the modernage ? ( like now solider and have a modern gear that the solider use now .)
[EUG]MadMat
November 15, 2016 at 7:44 pmNo, there is no such plan.
One
November 15, 2016 at 8:23 pmI wonder will paid Israel deck be finally balanced with this DLC not to outperfrom other free decks that much as it does now?
Hanyong Park
November 16, 2016 at 1:40 amOkay, Eugen dosen’t say this is “FREE DLC” on this post.
When Israel DLC are announced, Yugo&Finland DLC will be Combination on Israel DLC, I remember.
After then, Israel DLC was produced single-nation DLC AND YUGO&FINLAND DLC WILL BE SELL?
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 1:42 amI’m not sure I’m getting it …
Skyhawk
November 16, 2016 at 8:40 pmApparently sometime in the past Eugen as a company announced that Yugoslavia and Finland would be free along with Israel. What I think this presumably non-english speaking person is saying is that will yugoslavia and finland be single nation DLC instead of the pack that this person remembers.
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 11:32 pmNo, it was never announced as free.
The Nation Packs concept was announced here: https://eugensystems.com/announcing-nation-pack-the-netherlands-for-wargame-red-dragon/
It has always been made clear that they would be paid DLCs.
AegisWolf
November 16, 2016 at 6:46 amI’m happy REDFOR’s getting some love.
AegisWolf
November 16, 2016 at 7:10 amWill Finland be able to fight for BLUFOR as well as REDFOR?
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 9:25 amNo, it is a REDFOR nation.
Yet, you’ll be able to play Finland vs. USSR if you want, as in any OPFOR game.
FOARP
November 17, 2016 at 7:03 pmBoth Finland v. USSR and Yugoslavia v. WarPact would be great material for a campaign DLC
Zohaib
November 16, 2016 at 8:21 amWill there be Pakistan and india
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 9:27 amThere is no such plan at the moment.
Delorian
November 16, 2016 at 10:03 amSounds great. Can’t wait to play them 🙂
I am also very impressed (!) on how accurate the data is, you researched about the JNA and it’s Units … Respect :-))
Nevertheless, i have a little hint for the Developers according Infantry:
It’s correctly “Pomorska pesadija” (instead of Mornaricka) meaning somehow “Oversea Infantry (Marines)” in English
and
It’s correctly “Planinarski odred” (instead of Brdska pes.) meaning somehow “Alpine or Montane Unit” .. but Unit meant more in the sense of a German “Abteilung” or in French “Détachement”.
All the other names are maybe terms implemented in the Successor-Armys, but they were not used that way in the JNA (until it disintegrated in 1991 together with the yugoslav state).
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 10:08 amThanks for the compliments … but we got much help from some well-versed community members … whom happens to be (former) Yugoslavians themselves, hence gave us the JNA designation for units.
HrcAk47
November 16, 2016 at 12:34 pmNames are written in generic form (as per Eugens preferences), but true to their official nomenclature in JNA.
Mornarička pešadija is derived from 11. Mornarička pešadijska brigada (HQ Trebinje, deployed Split), 12 and 13. Mornarička pešadijska brigada (reserve, HQ Split), and 139. Mornarička pešadijska brigada (HQ Pula).
“Pomorska” was never a designation in JNA, since “pomorac” denotes a mariner, in other words, a sailor. These are infantrymen adjoined to Navy, for use in amphibious operations on the islands, coastline and its hinterlands. Not sailors. But this is a common error.
As for Brdska Pešadija, you will find no less than 13 brigades with the designation of “brdska pešadijska brigada”, which is a bit more than a quarter of JNA force.
“Odred” denotes a “detachment”. Note how Eugen does not use formation names in other nations.
“Planinarski” is, again, incorrect. “Planinar” is a civilian mountaineer, an alpinist. In military use, it should be “planinski”. JNA did have dedicated mountain-trained troops, but as integral parts of mountain (brdska) brigades.
Delorian
November 17, 2016 at 11:00 amAhhh .. great 🙂 Thanks for the information. Didn’t know that.
I made my year in the School for Officers of the Reserve (Bileca) back then in 1990 … but it seems that the theoretical terms were different than the practical ones.
Doesn’t matter anyway … i was really surprised on how accurate the research on the JNA-Units is ;-))
HrcAk47
November 17, 2016 at 11:42 amYou’re welcome. Feel free to join us on Eugen Forums, we have a massive thread of discussing JNA units on over 220 pages 😉
Adix
November 16, 2016 at 12:00 pmNice.Will be there even some helicopers for yugoslavia?
If there will be the necessary time to develop, it might be a great predent for New Year this double package
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 12:25 pmIndeed there will.
This first insight only dealt with strong suits … and some weak spots.
Yugo choppers enter neither category … 🙂
Sinisa
November 16, 2016 at 12:43 pm@[EUG]MadMat
and anyone other thats working on this expansion
There are several language corrections that need to be fixed.
1. Yugoslav People’s Army. = Jugoslavenska narodna armija (JNA) and not Jugoslovenska narodna armija (JNA). Difference is in one letter but meaning is far more stronger becouse there was one of states in ex. Yugoslavia called Slovenia and if you write “Jugosloven” with letter “o” that means south of Slovenia and not entire ex Yu state in difference to letter “a” (Jugoslavija) wich means entire Slavic peoples and states.
2. naval (Mornaricka Pes.) is to be written “Mornarička pješadija” becouse it’s Croatian term since only Croatia and in small parts Slovenia and Montenegro have Sea and its naval infantry forces (Mornarička pješadija) or withouth spec letters (Mornaricka pjesadija)
3. Theres also spec. force salled (Brdska pjesadija) that would be equal to “mountain infantry” other nations have.
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 12:52 pmThanks for the tip.
– Point #1 has been corrected.
– Point #2 is due to the lack of such accent on our keyboards. We’ve corrected the Mornarička (thanks to copy-pasting your message ?) but I can assure you that the proper accent will be present ingame, as they already are. Yet, for “pješadija”, it was clearly spelled to us as “PEŠADIJA”.
– Point #3 I don’t get … “Brdska pjesadija” ingame will be light (indeed “mountain”) troops, not SF.
HrcAk47
November 16, 2016 at 2:04 pmHello!
While the original suggestion contained unit names in Serbo-Croatian, it had to be compressed as much as possible, for the lack of space on the unit list twice. For unit name ortography, chief source was Vojna Enciklopedija JNA, 1974 edition.
“Jugoslovenska” and “jugoslavenska” are both correct, with rules befalling under local dialectical norms of Serbo-Croatian. Same goes for “pešadija” vs. “pješadija” vs. “pješaštvo” vs. “pehota” vs… Ya know.
In Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia (distinct language, however), it is “jugoslOvenska” with “slOven” meaning a Slav, and “slovenački” meaning Slovenian (language)
In Croatia and Herzegovina, it is “jugoslAvenska”, with “slAven” meaning a Slav and “slovenski” meaning Slovenian (language)
In Slovenia, however, it is “jugoslOVAnska”, where “slOVAn” means a Slav, and “slovenski” means Slovenian (language in adj. form) But then again, Slovenian is a very distinct language.
TL;DR – no point in arguing these.
Regards,
HrcAk47
P.S. For non-southern-slavic readers… Just don’t bother with this. 😀
Sinisa
November 16, 2016 at 12:50 pm…and guyz, dont forger on multirocket systems ORKAN ans smaller one OGANJ 🙂
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 12:53 pmWe haven’t … 😉
Ikeeplosing
November 16, 2016 at 2:04 pmWhat will be the price?
Buffpuff
November 16, 2016 at 2:47 pmMadmat are there any plans for new campaigns or perhaps a campaign editor. I love the multiplayer aspect of the game but the lone wolfs need some loving too. A campaign editor could definitely breathe some new life for those who enjoy the single player after getting their butts handed to them in a multiplayer match (Not that THAT ever happens to me…)
[EUG]MadMat
November 16, 2016 at 2:55 pmWe have no plan whatsoever beyond the upcoming Nation Pack.
Honey badger
November 16, 2016 at 3:38 pmWhat about Switzerland as a Nation pack. I work for a Swiss military museum and can set you up with specs of our arsenal of that time period.
Maxi
November 17, 2016 at 12:59 pmIt wont make any sence because it is a cold war game where nato und Warschauer Pakt faught each other. And switzerland was and is neutral… So… You know what i mean.
Archi
November 17, 2016 at 5:41 pmWell,Finland was Neutral too
HrcAk47
November 17, 2016 at 5:50 pmYugoslavia, Finland, and Sweden were all neutral 😉
Emperor
November 17, 2016 at 8:15 pmBecause most of the countries didn’t want to pick sides between NATO and Warsaw Pact, leaders of Yugoslavia, Egypt, India, Ghana and I believe Indonesia decided to make their own, so called “Pokret Nesvrstanih” or Non-Aligned Movement. It was a group of countries that are not aligned with nor against any major powers ( technically neutral ), consisting of over 70 or so countries, now counting more than 120.
So Yugoslavia was neutral as well, and as for Finland and Sweeden, I believe they never decided to join any of these.
Mr-Worner
November 16, 2016 at 3:53 pm“Yugoslav People’s Army will please WW2 fans”
Awesome! 🙂
Mr-Worner
November 16, 2016 at 3:55 pmhttps://eugensystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Key-Art-DLC-Yougo-v2.png
I love the wallpaper so much.
BaronVonBoyce
November 16, 2016 at 4:30 pmPlease give us Pathfinders ’90 while you’re at it. 🙂
JugMan
November 16, 2016 at 6:53 pmEuboea please don’t forget that jugoslavia had tons of mig-21 and some 14 mig-29. As well as Zsu-57-2 and the deversant units.
GDR
November 16, 2016 at 7:01 pmMig-21f-13 would be a nice addition as cheap 40-50 point helicopter interceptors.
Cody Hansen
November 16, 2016 at 6:58 pmAny chance Eugen is thinking of Wargame in WW2?
Emperor
November 17, 2016 at 8:20 pmThey made R.U.S.E. if I’m correct, which was their first game on this scale.
GDR
November 16, 2016 at 6:59 pmEugen please don’t forget that jugoslavia had tons of mig-21( I would really love to see the mig-21f-13 variant) as well as some 14 mig-29. Also they had zsu-57-2.
Sullian
November 16, 2016 at 8:52 pmOh god they have StG 44.
/instabuy
Strina
November 16, 2016 at 11:17 pmWhat logistic trucks will Yugoslavia have?
HrcAk47
November 17, 2016 at 11:44 amTrucks made by FAP, but I shouldn’t say more 😀
Strina
November 17, 2016 at 4:25 pmŠteta što neće biti Tamića
Too bad there want be any TAM made trucks.
HrcAk47
November 17, 2016 at 5:48 pmBice TAM-150, ali kao baza za jedno vozilo 😉
Евгений
November 17, 2016 at 10:35 amНе думаю что пак будет интересный….Слишком много однообразных юнитов будет.Многие будут просто позаимствованы от других наций.Очень надеюсь что я ошибаюсь.
Archduke_Franz
November 17, 2016 at 5:41 pmAny chance Cuba [a country that actually fought during the Cold War] will be added?
CopZ
November 17, 2016 at 8:35 pmWill we finally be getting Italy after this DLC? Since it was the fourth choice in the poll.
[EUG]MadMat
November 17, 2016 at 8:38 pmWe’ve got no plan beyond the Finnish+Yugoslavia Nation pack.
CopZ
November 18, 2016 at 12:08 pmWill there be any plan at all for the future of wargame red dragon?
Milan
November 18, 2016 at 12:29 amIf you ever make a trailer for expansion, this should be your soundtrack 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkzF9jlEOj4
nesani
November 18, 2016 at 8:43 amCan we buy Yugoslavia and Finland separately, or they will be one single dlc?
[EUG]MadMat
November 18, 2016 at 9:24 amThey come as a single pack.
Ivanho
November 18, 2016 at 8:26 pmHVALA, Eugen!
damoj
November 19, 2016 at 5:37 amWill Yugo and Finns be rolled into a Coalition? They seem to be quite complementary in terms of relative strengths, and conceptually, as non-Warsaw states, albeit geographically far apart, seem to have a commonly peculiar relationship with the USSR.
Mick
November 29, 2016 at 6:59 amCan’t wait to test my F-16s and F/A 18s in Operation Deliberate Force 🙂