As you all know, Tzahal was voted as the next Nation Pack for Wargame: Red Dragon. And we haven’t been twiddling our thumbs since the results were published…
Although some vehicles & aircrafts are still being modeled as we speak, units balance is already well on its way. It is therefore the perfect time to ask game designer Félix “FLX” Habert how Israel is shaping up as a Wargame nation … and to extract some pro-tips from
the sly b… our esteemed colleague.
As you may have learnt by now, Israel will be a stand-alone nation, meaning it won’t be combined with any other nation into a coalition. Yet, despite that, “Israel’s national deck will be a competitive one” according to FLX, “fielding weapons & vehicles both varied and modern, making it able to stand up to any of the most played decks“.
Regarding ground units, Tzahal’s strong suits will be its “mighty tanks, extremely efficient ATGMs, a varied infantry selection and a reliable artillery support“.
The mighty tanks FLX is referring to are the Merkava family of course: heavily armored up front, they are much more fragile if outflanked. But although Merkava are Israel’s sole indigenous designs, they won’t be its only choices: the IDF also fields British (Centurion) & American (M60) import tanks, some of them heavily modified, and even some tanks of Soviet design (T-55, PT-76) salvaged from its neighbors’ armies in previous wars!
At the beginning of Wargame‘s timeframe, Israel relied only on foreign ATGM, mostly TOW and … M47 Dragon! This latter fact should suffice to explain why they frantically worked from the late 70’s to develop their own weapon systems! It proved fruitful though, for Israel has since been developing and testing very efficient anti-tank missiles: the Spike family (infantry & vehicle variants), MAPATS (TOW-2 modification) or LAHAT (gun-missile). Most of them are favoring long range and/or accuracy over extreme damage.
And then comes the dreadful Nimrod missile which, by our expert’s own words “is a purveyor of dreams” …
Tzahal’s infantry units cover most infantry role & deck types, from regular (Rovait) & reserve (Miluim) squads to Marine (Givati) & Airborne (Tzanhanim) ones, backed up by MANPAD, FIST & ATGM team. Of course, specialized command, recon (Bedouin), commando (Shayetet 13) & Special Forces (Maglan) will be there too to perform their specific tasks.
The IDF’s final forte lies in its artillery support. And yet, as a matter of fact, rare are the state-of-the-art weapons here, instead Tzahal’s artillery arm has learned how to make the better use of good ol’guns.
Hence the presence of some old WW2 Sherman tanks mounting unusual guns, such as the Makmat self-propelled heavy 160mm (!) mortar or the MAR-240 MLRS. Israel’s heavy guns are mostly American ones: Rochev & Doher (M109) & Kardom (M110A2), but also with some local improvements such as the Romach (M107) firing ERFB rounds at extreme range or the Sholef mounting a Finnish gun on a heavily armored Merkava chassis.
Israel will also field its own range of MLRS. Aside from the MAR-240 mentioned above, the heavy MAR-290 on Centurion chassis and much smaller LAR-160 will allow Tzahal a wide array of ammunitions’ loadouts.
Tzahal can also rely on the Israeli Air Force, with a vast inventory of both American (A-4, F-4, F-15 & F-16) and French (Mirage III & Mirage V) planes, as well as indigenous variants (Kfir) or even prototype (Lavi).
The IAF will “provide an effective ground support with several laser-guided bombs loadouts, supported by modern SEADs and fighter planes“.
Unlike the fixed-wing aircrafts, Israel’s helicopter force is strongly dedicated to anti-tank duty, with several Lahatut (TOW Defender) variants and culminating with the Peten (Apache) tank hunter in full-Hellfire mode.
Tzefa (Cobra) will provide some more versatile gunship/close-support loadouts.
Yet, “Israel will have its weak points, the main one being its air defense: all its best SAM (Hawks & variants) & SPAAG (Vulcan & variants) are indeed radar-guided and thus vulnerable to SEAD attack, leaving its air-defense to short-ranged weapon systems“, such as old-fashioned twin-20mm guns (BTR-152 TCM 20) and light IR SAM (Chapparal & Stingers) when all radars are turned off.
Also, “one of Israel’s gameplay specificities will be its utter lack of IFV“, notwithstanding one Merkava being configured in transport mode (meaning very, very few 105mm ammo!). Yet, they make up for this lack of combat transports with widely available super-heavy APCs such as the Nagmachon & Achzarit. With MBT-grade armor, including armored roof resilient to cluster bombs, those transports, although lightly armed, should be able to bring your infantry into the thick of the fight safely.
Nation Pack: Israel for Wargame: Red Dragon will be released on Octobre 4th, 2016.
In the meantime, if you want more details about Tzahal in Wargame, make sur to watch our Twitch session on Monday, September 19th, at 7 PM (Paris’ time): some Eugen members will be facing each other in an Alpha-balanced version of incoming Nation Pack: Israel.
And if you have any more questions regarding Nation Pack: Israel, feel free to ask them here.
NandoSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:14 pm
hopefully now in a new environment that adapts to new nations … to look away from the far east to a middle east – west where more suits this new jewel of the nation so as to allow new entrants as Syria Turkey Greece Italy etc. etc
NandoSeptember 22, 2016 at 12:29 pm
I would share with you these original maps of the Soviet attack plans against South Europe hoping to inspire you for a future chapter of the series with the nations of Italy Greece Turkey Bulgaria Romania Hungary.
https://flic.kr/p/dn1BGe Map of the Soviet attack plan to South Europe
https://flic.kr/p/dn1Au9 Map of the Soviet attack plan from Austria to Italy 1
https://flic.kr/p/dn1y9B Map of the Soviet attack plan to Greece and Turkey from Bulgaria 1
https://flic.kr/p/dn1AAq Map of the Soviet attack plan from Austria to Italy 2
https://flic.kr/p/dn1ycn Map of the Soviet attack plan to Greece and Turkey from Bulgaria 2
https://flic.kr/p/dn1ADS Map of the Soviet attack plan from Austria to Italy 3
https://flic.kr/p/dn1xVb Map of the Soviet attack plan to Greece and Turkey from Bulgaria 3
https://flic.kr/p/dn1vEM Map of the Soviet attack plan to the Mediterranean
https://flic.kr/p/dn1xYh Map of the Soviet attack plan to Turkey
https://flic.kr/p/dn1xZG Map of the Soviet attack plan to Greece and Turkey from Bulgaria 4
https://flic.kr/p/dn1vJn Map of the Soviet attack plan from Austria to Italy 4
Killbill8921September 16, 2016 at 1:29 pm
Israel is a non NATO?!? Take my money now!
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Israel will be NATO (or BLUE), but won’t come in a specific coalition within NATO, like Eurocorps, Blue Dragons, …
WarStalkeRSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:32 pm
Israel is a 16th Republic of USSR and 51st State of America. So Israel should be present both, in BLUE & RED decks 😛
WarStalkeRSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:47 pm
Also, it’s not “Sholev” but “Sholef”
Manuel PeiroSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:40 pm
Its only for online play… Or will come with offline Campaign?
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:47 pm
You will be able to play solo with the new Israeli nation, in skirmish mode.
But there no new campaign planned.
Hamish RaeSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:04 pm
F84/F86 Confirmed For Yugo????
Helinton MarcosSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:42 pm
very good over a nation always welcome , however to some dlc project for more nations of warsaw pact that when I see this getting a little outdated in relation nato
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:48 pm
Yugoslavia & Finland will be next …
Hamish RaeSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:55 pm
But Finland Would Be Blufor
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 3:34 pm
No, both are planned for REDFOR.
KarjulaSeptember 18, 2016 at 12:32 pm
Thanks for a great game and I’m thrilled you are doing Finland but to REDFOR side? What?! Definately some alternative history here and actually a bit of an insult to us finns… I really hope you rethink this as Finland has always had it’s armed forces mainly to counter Soviet/Russian threat and I can’t easily see a scenario where we would have fought for the PACT.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 19, 2016 at 1:25 am
1.) Because the Western countries pretty much considered Finland to be a part of the Soviet camp.
2.) Because historically Finland was within hair’s breath away from becoming an active member of the WP together with the Soviets.
3.) And because Finland had extensive contacts with the Soviet military and a treaty of mutual military assistance with them.
And most of all, Finland has a lot more to offer for Redfor than Bluefor.
dapolekSeptember 18, 2016 at 3:02 am
will Yugoslavia and finland be in coalition or will they be alone?
Leonid BeilinSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:56 pm
Givati is not marine unit in reality and never was…
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:18 pm
They are the IDF brigade specialized in amphibious warfare. Such deck type ingame is called “Marines”, we can’t rename it to fit the very precise description of each unit … 😉
Leonid BeilinSeptember 16, 2016 at 3:50 pm
they where doing amphibius landings at training only from the 80s to the 90.
Cullens HoundSeptember 17, 2016 at 2:35 am
The game is set in 80-85 for category C troops, 85-90 for category B and 90-95 for category A
Jacques FacialSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:57 pm
Excellent news ! 🙂
Is there any plan to also add one or two new maps from Europe ?
Leonid BeilinSeptember 16, 2016 at 1:58 pm
kvasius KSVMSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:11 pm
ripped from wiki:”The Givati Brigade (Hebrew: חֲטִיבַת גִּבְעָתִי, literally “Hill Brigade” or “Highland Brigade” in English) is an infantry brigade of the Israel Defense Forces, and serves as its amphibious force.”
Important part is:”serves as its amphibious force.”
Counts as marines then.
Leonid BeilinSeptember 16, 2016 at 3:57 pm
it is an infanttry brigade which was making amphibius landing only in training from 80s to 90s. I served in the IDF from 1999 to 2002 not at Givati but in Nahal and never herd on any connection about Givati to the Navy. And to be called marines you need to be an infantry which serves in the navy…
OrcbusterSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:19 pm
Game take place from 1980 to 1991 so that seems perfect.
MikeSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:01 pm
Truely an amazing design from EUGEN!
Thank you for bringing all the iconic Israeli units!
With Givati, I guess you meant that it will be a 15 men squad, since they’re not actuall “Marines” 😛
I’m extremly excited to use the Sholef (Merkava arty), the Merkava transport and the LAHAT that comes with it…
p.s: “Beduin” recon killed me laughing, though seriously it’s very nice they are mentioned!
asaph-talmorSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:35 pm
Awesome Eugen. You’re just fucking awesome and this deck seems the bomb.
1. No such thing as Roivat – the correct word for Rifleman is Rovai. This is a general term and not a name of the unit.
2. The recon unit soldiers are indeed Bedouin – but the battalion is called ‘Herev’ (Hebrew for Sword).
3. As mentioned here Givati or not marines. Marines come in various shapes and sizes, and aside from the Shayetet marine commandos, have no special names that I know of (no US-like marines).
4. Shayetet 13 are marine commandos, but no of less renown are the “strategic recon” commandos, Sayeret Matkal (famous, among else for the Antebbe rescue operation).
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 3:38 pm
1- name was given to us by active IDF members.
2- for the same reason why regular rifle are generically called “Roiva(t)”, we are trying not ot give specific unit’s names, at least for the mainstream troops. Hence the generic “Bedouin” instead of “Herev”.
3- but the “amphibious brigade” Givati is the closest the IDF has from a marine corps, as far as our game rules are concerned.
4- as for most nation, we have two “commando” units: one doing the “deep recon”, the other the “heavy fighting”. For Israel in Wargame, the former will be Maglans, the latter Shayetet 13.
Keep in mind this is a game, not a simulation. We are trying to be as realistic as possible within the frame of the Wargame series. 🙂
MTA 88September 16, 2016 at 4:38 pm
That’s spelled wrong as mentioned: one rifleman: Rovai or maybe use Rova’ee.
In Hebrew it used with feminine declination because it is a general name form a riflemen company, and company is a female (Pluga), hence Pluga Rovait (the end sounds like the word “eat” in English).
If you want to use single male (from soldier – Hayal) form: Rovai or Rova’ee
Female (from company- Pluga) like it used in Hebrew: Rovait or Rova’ee
If you want to refer to the soldiers in plural use: Rovai’m or Rova’eemm.
For sure so not use Roivat… No such thing!
Looking forward for the pack!
MTA 88September 16, 2016 at 4:40 pm
Better and apostrophe in any case so people pronounce it right:
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:12 pm
How would you write it to stand for generic “Rifles” or “Riflemen” like other nations?
igalSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:20 pm
It is spelled “Rovait”(רובאית)
and as a former combat medic in the givati brigade, we didn’t have any marine training, only infantry stuff.
“Herev” is the druze infantry brigade, and “gadsar ha bedui” is a beduin recon unit.(druze and beduin are 2 minorities living in Israel)
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:28 pm
My bad … that’s actually how it is spelled ingame. I hadn’t noticed I moved the “i”, and thought the problem was with the final “t”. 🙁
So, all that for nothing. Sorry.
MTA 88September 16, 2016 at 6:06 pm
Well, like you wrote, persistence with other units’ names is important.
When you picked “Jäger” did you mean in singular or plural (Jäger (singular [der] Jäger, plural [die] Jäger)?
From comparing other units, it seems it is not always consistent so it is not easy.
“Panzergrenadier” is the singular form (Plural: die Panzergrenadiere)
“Rifelmen” however is plural.
I would use the single-feminine form as it is how we use it in Hebrew but with an apostrophe for pronunciation.
“Rova’it” is clean, simple and sounds very close the the most accurate pronunciation (Rova’eat) which is weird to read and have the word “eat” in it.
I would be happy to help with this and other issues (especially regarding the reserves, which unlike almost any other army, play a very big role and have special characters).
You have my email. Just give here a heads up so I’ll check the inbox.
MTA 88September 16, 2016 at 6:08 pm
I commented on the wrong thread. But you’ll figure it out 🙂
arielSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:36 pm
The term you’re seeking is “Rova’im” – Riflemen (plural).
In Hebrew when referring to a group of people, the male form is used.
SiroSeptember 19, 2016 at 12:48 am
1) you should try inserting an apostrophe into “Rova’it” or spelling it “Rovaeet” to assist correct pronunciation.
2) Beduin troops are not recon, but rather a specialist tracker’s unit. They work as specialists attached to regular troops, not in recon duty. (Also they are NOT related to the Herev battalion)
Israeli recon companies are named “Palsar” (short for “Plugat Siyur” = recon company). There is one in every battalion. This would be the most correct term for that purpose.
There is also “MoDaSh” (short for Modiin Sadeh – field intelligence) which is its own corps with long range recon units.
While I’m happy to see the Bedouins mentioned, it is an instant immersion breaker to use them as recon.
4) Re: commando – IMO you have the roles reversed. Shayetet 13 is a tiny unit that does (mostly silent) covert intelligence gathering, while Maglan are more of a classic commando unit.
I’d frankly put Maglan\Egoz as Commando, and put the long-range-recon to be either Sayeret Matkal (most SAS\Delta force like unit), or Shaldag (airforce long range targeting recon).
SiroSeptember 19, 2016 at 1:09 am
Well look at that – a quick wiki showed me I was almost entirely wrong about the Beduin recon battalion. (though it formally became a battalion only circa 1992, and seems to have fought as a cohesive unit only after that)
I think they still perform a role of trackers and specialist border patrol rather than classic reconnaissance, which is better fitted by Palsar companies (actual recon companies of infantry battalions).
However, If you’re willing to stretch the time period (and the definition of recon, to a point), then they’re indeed a unique addition.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 19, 2016 at 1:28 am
Actually, border guards units in Wargame are classified as “recon troops” (Grenzer, BGS, …), therefore the Bedouins fit perfectly in that role, and have more personnality than another regular army unit.
Muhamed Ali El NabawySeptember 16, 2016 at 2:45 pm
so if you are adding the israeli heavy 160 mm mortar, can u please add the 2S4 Tyulpan heavy mortar to the redfor units?
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 19, 2016 at 1:33 am
Soviet artillery is in no dire need of another gun, being already well furnished. 🙂
Samal LeorSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:46 pm
The 585TH did a lot of work these last few wars.
WaclawekSeptember 16, 2016 at 2:47 pm
No M51 Isherman? :C
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 3:39 pm
Isherman has already been confirmed to be in this Nation pack. 😉
WaclawekSeptember 16, 2016 at 4:31 pm
Oh, I had to miss this information, thank you!
HunterSeptember 16, 2016 at 3:03 pm
I thought you might add in the sa’ar corvettes for Israel can we be expecting more navy updates in general for the future
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 3:40 pm
We are not adding more anavl units.
ObfuscatedMindSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:41 pm
Any reasons why there is no new DLC naval units for ? A LCAC at some point would be very useful!
BobSeptember 16, 2016 at 4:05 pm
Hope India gets added sometime, imagine the Sikh infantry with big turbans. I mean red dragon was supposed to be an Asian game anyway right?
MTA 88September 16, 2016 at 4:28 pm
No such thing as Roivat for infantry. You probably meant Rovaeet sounds like (Rova and eat together) which is a normal small-arms infantry platoon.
I suggest you use a native Hebrew-English speaker and IDF soldier for proofing.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:15 pm
We actually did just that … 🙂
GarySeptember 16, 2016 at 4:34 pm
Wow, this is amazing!
Atomic HobbitSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:01 pm
Will this be available for Mac and Linux?
arielSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:40 pm
Will the ATMOS 155mm be added to the game?
It was actually tested in the 90’s, and despite not entering service in the IDF, it can play as a low-ROF, pinpoint-accuracy type of artillery like the French Caesar
yokiSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:48 pm
will u plan adding merkava 4 as prototype?
will you add apache longbow? israel has both longbow and regular one
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 16, 2016 at 5:50 pm
The game’s setting is 1975-1991.
Therefore, those units you’re refering to are out of timeframe.
survivor686September 16, 2016 at 7:08 pm
May I inquire as to whether the Merkava III and its variants (Baz and Dor) will be in the Tzahal DLC?
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 17, 2016 at 12:35 pm
You don’t want us to spoil all the fun already, do you? 😉
survivor686September 17, 2016 at 2:35 pm
Joseph AhnerOctober 1, 2016 at 12:58 am
You have several prototype units that didn’t enter production until the mid nineties or at all in game including the apache longbow and the OTOMATIC so why not the Apache Longbow for Israel?
[EUG]MadMatOctober 1, 2016 at 10:16 am
Because there was no need for it.
Israel has its own prorotypes ingame.
HetmanSeptember 16, 2016 at 6:07 pm
Hawk + Vulcan + Chapral + Stinger, where is the weakness?
Vulpes IncultaSeptember 16, 2016 at 6:41 pm
where is the Merkava Mortor, M48(Magach 3,5/Pereh), T-54(Tiran-4), T-62(Tiran-6), Nakpadon?
they are reserve, proto tanks in 1990s !
i just want to use them in W:RD israel pack NOW!
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 17, 2016 at 12:34 pm
There are too many different tank variants in the IDF armory, many of them woud be redundant, hence we haven’t model them all.
Yet, Israel will be only second to the USA (and alongside W-Germany) by the number of choices in the TANK category.
Vulpes IncultaSeptember 19, 2016 at 7:55 am
dont need modeling! im ok! just bring them all to IDF Armory using ctrl+c -> ctrl+v !!! that is VERY IMPORTANT! if not! NOT ‘ISRAEL!’ just ‘wasrael’ ‘useless DLC’ remember my message
Ha Minh TruongSeptember 16, 2016 at 7:52 pm
Hope one day you guys will make new Deck like Green Deck for South America countries or maybe South East Asia XD
AegisWolfSeptember 16, 2016 at 10:36 pm
These guys are in trouble. The coolness of a unit’s wargame emblem is inversely proportional to its actual effectiveness.
Tempest501September 16, 2016 at 11:39 pm
Will the Perreh Missile Carrier be present?
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 17, 2016 at 12:40 pm
Time will tell … 😉
SiroSeptember 19, 2016 at 12:53 am
You do remember they have ~25 Km effective range (and had since 1981) ? 😉
NicSeptember 17, 2016 at 12:46 am
The nation look really great.
MadMat can you guys please take the opportunity to fix the Canadian highlander75′ price in this incomming update?
They are the same price as the Can airborn 75′, which are shock troops, whith almost the same loadout. But the highlander are only regular training. So they don’t seems to fit any role, not even in a 80′ deck.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 19, 2016 at 1:31 am
Canadian Highlanders have nothing to do in a blog entry dedicated to Tzahal … 😉
NicOctober 2, 2016 at 10:05 pm
You are right but I don’t know where to adress my concerns
DImaSeptember 17, 2016 at 11:55 am
why did you add the Givaati brigade but decided not to include the Golani brigade which is imho the most iconic line infantry brigade in the IDF
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 17, 2016 at 12:40 pm
Golani are one among several regular infantry brigades. That’s why we are giving regular infantry a ngeneric name: that way, you can make your Golani deck with them, as well as other regular brigade.
Givati are set appart due to their amphibious focus, which fits our “marine” decks conditions.
had we named generic riflemen “Golani”, we would have had the same complaints from Nahal brigade members … 😉
That way, riflemen fit in any of them.
MTA 88September 17, 2016 at 3:46 pm
Seems you are well informed! 😉
QuestionSeptember 17, 2016 at 2:24 pm
Is the merkava going to have its 60mm mortar?
What sort of man carried weapons can we expect in the recon section, anything unusual?
alnasser.kwtSeptember 17, 2016 at 2:41 pm
thanks for the hard works gays, no b52 or tomahawk in the future? 🙁
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 19, 2016 at 1:29 am
None: they are definitively weapons out of scale with Wargame.
Lucio VisciarelliSeptember 18, 2016 at 12:44 am
no planean hacer ningun pais de america del sur??
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 19, 2016 at 1:30 am
There’s no plan for such at the moment.
asaph-talmorSeptember 18, 2016 at 2:36 pm
IDF deployed it’s first AH-64A on October 1990, in Lebanon.
TimSeptember 19, 2016 at 4:38 am
MadMat are you guys planning to introduce any ARAB nations? It’s weird to see Israel mingled in wars it never fought and never intended to fight. Beside, it will open potentials for Operation Desert Storm and Middle East Wars campaigns/maps/etc.
Perhaps that’s the secret project you have been working on eh? A MODERN WARGAME? >:D
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 19, 2016 at 9:22 am
There is no plan to add further nation beyond Finland & Yugoslavia.
Israel is making an appearance in the series because it was chosen by vote by the community.
YokiSeptember 19, 2016 at 12:51 pm
Not sure what u guys planing ahead – but next war game in ME with be a major success for sure…including wars as six days/Yom Kippur/ Desert storms …
Iran/Iraq/Turkey/Israel/Egypt/Syria…. should be superb
ALEXSeptember 19, 2016 at 9:30 pm
Please add it as a coalition too. Looking at the live feed, it shows it will to be played as a coalition.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 20, 2016 at 9:28 am
No, Israel will be strong enough to stand on its own without coalition.
ALEXSeptember 20, 2016 at 2:10 pm
Based on your logic, does that mean USA and Soviet Union are not strong enough and that’s why they have coalitions? Technically any nation can be played as a stand-alone faction, but I still think a coalition, maybe with UK or France or even a minor faction, will be more fun to play.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 20, 2016 at 2:49 pm
No. Originally, USA & USSR were also without a coalition for the same reason … and people complained about it. So we teamed them with some minor nation in order to avoid to oblige the request without creating monsters.
In the end, it doesn’t proved really successful, hence why we aren’t doing it again …
Captain mSeptember 20, 2016 at 2:26 am
How much will the dlc cost? Same as Netherlands?
EllikSeptember 20, 2016 at 2:44 pm
When will be other nations will come out? Like Iran, India, Taiwan, and Italy. I hope for too see them soon.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 20, 2016 at 2:50 pm
There’s no plan ATM to add any further nation after Finland & Yugoslavia.
DoronSeptember 21, 2016 at 2:33 am
[EUG]madmat, dlc looks amazing, but u have one very big mistake-the model you guys made for merkava 3 baz is actually the merkava 4, whitch started production a long time beyong the time frame.
this is a picture of the merkava 3 baz from the merkava wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkava#/media/File:Merkava3dKasag001.jpg
and this is merkava 4, whch is the moodel u mistakenly used (also taken from the wiki page):
i added my email in the comment details. i served as an armored corpseman in a merkava 3 baz in the idf for 3 years-would love to help in any way i can.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 21, 2016 at 9:21 am
Our intention was to model a Merkava III D Baz “late“, that is with modular armor, including (we were led to believe) some elements of what would become the Merk IV, hence the turret’s shape. The point was to have a late model breaking the monotony of the previous Merkava’s shape.
The mistake has already been pointed out to us, and we’re in the process of fixing it. 🙂
DoronSeptember 21, 2016 at 4:09 pm
the merkava 3 in the pic i showed is indeed wearing the latest merkava 3 modular armor-called in herbrew “migoon dor dalet” (=”generation D protection” in english), and still looks different than the merkava 4 as seen in the pics.
glad u are aware of the issue, looking forward for the game:)
EverettSeptember 21, 2016 at 6:44 pm
No Patriot missiles? Israel bought some units in 1990/91 during the Gulf War when Hussein was threatening them with SCUD missiles.
American JagdpanzerSeptember 22, 2016 at 12:12 am
NO MORE PATRIOTS
Isaiah belterSeptember 22, 2016 at 6:33 am
Would love a coalition of America and Israel. Also please at least buff the US Infantry Somehow. You could give them the Javelin ATGM. And you could also make the the machine guns they have actually good. Cause when you compare the US to other nations Infantry wise. They are one of the worst in game
Phairy GoodpotatoSeptember 22, 2016 at 7:08 am
I believe that your community for the Wargame series would be ecstatic for a modern (2000-2010) Wargame with an updated take on Blufor and redfor.
Blufor- NATO countries( United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Denmark, The Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Poland, Canada, Turkey, Norway) and NATO allies/partners (Sweden, Ukraine, Japan, Australia, South Korea, South Africa, Israel, Singapor & the philippines).
Redfor- Russia, China, India, Iran, North Korea, Egypt, Vietnam, & Syria
An updated Navy system which features ships from each country and if Possible Aircraft Carriers and submarines.
As well as if possible either a worldwide dynamic or a regional (european, middle east, east Asia) kind of like the Total War games.
Also to create a modding community and make the game more modding friendly would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely Phairy Goodpotato
Phairy GoodpotatoSeptember 22, 2016 at 7:10 am
Not (2010) but 2000-2020*
AwesomerSeptember 22, 2016 at 11:58 pm
I definitely second a new wargame series, but it would seem silly now, given that they just realized these new factions. Maybe for the near future?!?
Also, just wondering MadMat if you guys have re-considered keeping the Bedouins as a 3-weapon team, with the sniper, just adjusting the price difference from 15pts to 20 pts. I believe I sent you a message about this.
Thank you again for your consideration.
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 23, 2016 at 12:35 am
No, they have been fixed to a 5-men recon team’s standard.
Joseph AhnerOctober 1, 2016 at 1:05 am
Awesomer was talking about their weapons not numbers.
Joseph AhnerOctober 1, 2016 at 1:06 am
AwesomerSeptember 23, 2016 at 1:43 am
Fair enough MadMat, thank you getting back to me. Just out of curiosity, would it be possible to add a sniper rifle to any other inf/recon unit for the Tzahal? If its going to be a stand alone army, why not give it a complete arsenal! 😉
DoronSeptember 23, 2016 at 1:43 am
Hi madmat. It’s very cool u are replying to all of the fan’s questions and concerns. I saw another detail in the preview which i think might be a mistake: u named the israeli f-15 “akef”. There’s no plane with that name in the IAF. In fact there’s no such word in herbew.
The f15 versions A-D are all called “Baz” (means falcon) and the f-15I is called “Ra’am” (thunder). That’s all; no such think as “akef”.
More info in the wiki page for the IAF under the title “aircraft”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Air_Force
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 23, 2016 at 1:47 am
It’s been indeed reported already. And fixed on our end …
AstrikSeptember 23, 2016 at 5:29 am
we really need more redfor nations/coalitions ;( theres like 19 themed options for nato (coalitions AND their own respective countires) vs like 10 redfor (nations and coalitions)
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 23, 2016 at 9:29 am
Pretty much a realistic ratio between NATO & Pact members then …
Israel’s choice was the community’s, next Nation Pack will bring Yugoslavia & Finland to the RED side.
AwesomerSeptember 23, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Would you guys possibly consider adding a sniper rifle/recon team to Israel (similar to the JSDF Rangers or Canadian RECCE?
Thank you again!
AwesomerSeptember 23, 2016 at 11:08 pm
I apologize for constantly bringing up this Bedouin sniper/recon topic, but I just think that there is an easier solution to this problem, then just removing the sniper. My argument is this:
People have been complaining about the balancing with the Bedouins, a 15pt recon with 3 weapons, while other nations have recon teams with only 2. However, from what I can tell, people also like the idea of Israel having a sniper (see the “Israel is OP” thread, pages 60 to 62); especially the M14.
Might I suggest a solution that fixes both of these problems:
Why not keep the Bedouins as a 3-weapon, 5-man recon team with the sniper, but INCREASE the point value of the unit from 15 to 20 points. This would address the balancing issue. They would have very similar stats to the JSDF Rangers for Japan (which have an equivalent point value). Plus, you literally have the unit model and weapon model already made for the unit! You would not need to replace a weapon model (which I would assume would be much harder to do than change the point value for the unit).
I know this seems like a silly request, but it would not be difficult for you guys, and would make me and a lot of other players a lot happier.
Please take this into consideration.
Thank you again for your time and patience.
alfonsoSeptember 26, 2016 at 1:02 am
New naval units in new factions ( Israel and Yugoslavia-Finlandia)
Zekre MuzeSeptember 26, 2016 at 9:44 am
Oh my. This is one nation that I’ve been waiting for a very long time, aside from the Southeast Asian countries.
…any chance this is just a preview of an upcoming sequel set in the Middle East? 😀
Lord TachankaSeptember 30, 2016 at 10:57 pm
Will The New 10v10 map come with the Israel DLC? MadMat?
[EUG]MadMatSeptember 30, 2016 at 10:59 pm
No, 10v10 map is planned for next DLC.
Lord TachankaSeptember 30, 2016 at 11:04 pm
Okay, Thanks for your reply!!
Lord TachankaSeptember 30, 2016 at 11:07 pm
Btw, Will the Merkava mark 3 be equiped with the 60mm mortar?
Lord RommelOctober 1, 2016 at 2:19 am
Any news with Yugoslavia being added at all would be great so we could shoot down some yanks haha and does anyone know here anything about the ash and shadows mod what’s going on with that mod I’m getting Error’s with the game so i haven’t bothered now can someone let me know thanks
[EUG]MadMatOctober 1, 2016 at 10:15 am
Not yet …
HobogunOctober 2, 2016 at 5:37 am
Will you be including the M3 Halftrack as a carrier for reserve units and for some infantry units in the 70s? Also will you be including the support roles of the M3 such as the 120mm mortar carrier and the 81mm mortar carrier plus the logistical M3 used to transport ammunition and fuel? As the M3 Halftrack was not phased out till 91-92.
[EUG]MadMatOctober 2, 2016 at 11:04 am
Yes, the M3 HT will be included as transport for reserve infantry.
But no other variant.
Lord TachankaOctober 3, 2016 at 12:43 pm
Will the merkavas come with their 60mm mortars? MadMat?
[EUG]MadMatOctober 3, 2016 at 12:48 pm
No, the game engine’s weapons attribution system doesn’t permit it.
Lord TachankaOctober 3, 2016 at 1:04 pm
HurricaneOctober 3, 2016 at 2:06 pm
At what time of day will it be released? Is it a 00:00 release? madmat
Smithc589December 5, 2016 at 6:13 am
The principle isn’t to artificially turn out to be effective, cdkaabbaegefcfka
Yeah lolMarch 29, 2017 at 4:08 pm
Nice a new deck to bullied…..?????